Comments on: Employees vs Contractors – comparing the UPS & Fedex models http://www.odesk.com/blog/2009/03/employees-vs-contractors-comparing-ups-fedex-models/ oDesk - The Future of Work Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:03:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Dennis http://www.odesk.com/blog/2009/03/employees-vs-contractors-comparing-ups-fedex-models/comment-page-1/#comment-61295 Dennis Fri, 01 May 2009 05:52:40 +0000 http://www.odesk.com/blog/?p=3110#comment-61295 Big Brown has now begun to outsource to China. China has a CSC which has begun to do the work which once only divided between American domestic centers. Drivers are being asked not to come in at an alarming rate, but one will never here lay offs. It is all about image. Big strong brown is in the mud; soon the micro managers will soon be taking calls and will beg mom and pops to ship their cookies again. Big Brown has now begun to outsource to China. China has a CSC which has begun to do the work which once only divided between American domestic centers. Drivers are being asked not to come in at an alarming rate, but one will never here lay offs. It is all about image. Big strong brown is in the mud; soon the micro managers will soon be taking calls and will beg mom and pops to ship their cookies again.

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.odesk.com/blog/2009/03/employees-vs-contractors-comparing-ups-fedex-models/comment-page-1/#comment-58706 Jonathan Wed, 01 Apr 2009 01:15:33 +0000 http://www.odesk.com/blog/?p=3110#comment-58706 Huh, if Fed Ex isn't really a company doing anything why do the "independent contractors" need them? Sounds to me that they're eliminating most of, if not all of, their operating cost, putting it on their "independent contractors" and reaping the benefits. Are they a shipping company or another middle man set up like the stock market? Hell, they need to really grease some palms in Washington DC. If they can manage to get the government to allow them to bring in poor workers from third world countries and let them do what they want with them they can really boost their profit margin. Then again, if they wait a little longer we'll be a third world country they won't have to go overseas. As a matter of fact maybe that's what our country needs. Let all the big businesses and corporations pay workers here whatever they want to, eliminate the minimum wage (like it's realistic anyway), outlaw unionism, flat out deny workers any benefits or retirement and big business and the stock market will go through the roof. Happy days will be here again before you know it, for some. What were we hearing a few years ago when the powers that be were trying to rally everyone around the flag pole while selling a bullshit war? Patriotism, patriotism, patriotism! Boy that tune sure turned fast to US workers don't deserve a damn thing, they're a bunch of over paid cry babies, screw them. Meanwhile corporate profits (until the bubble burst, were going through the roof while average workers pay and benefits were going down the drain. No average worker should deserve $20, $30,or $40 an hour but these CEO's deserve every bit of the millions and tens of millions they get. As much of a joke as that is, the corporate CEO's earn chump change compared to the hedge fund managers who are earning in the hundreds of millions of dollars up to the multi billions of dollars a year. Last year the average hedge fund declined 19%, even so, after a 48% cut in pay, the highest paid hedge fund manager, James Simons pulled in $2.5 billion. And by god while no everyday worker deserves what they're being paid I bet he deserves every penny. Are people really so stupid, blind and obsessed with greed that they don't realize the damage being done to this country by these corporations and the stock market making way over blown and unearned profits? Evidently so. Huh, if Fed Ex isn’t really a company doing anything why do the “independent contractors” need them? Sounds to me that they’re eliminating most of, if not all of, their operating cost, putting it on their “independent contractors” and reaping the benefits. Are they a shipping company or another middle man set up like the stock market? Hell, they need to really grease some palms in Washington DC. If they can manage to get the government to allow them to bring in poor workers from third world countries and let them do what they want with them they can really boost their profit margin. Then again, if they wait a little longer we’ll be a third world country they won’t have to go overseas. As a matter of fact maybe that’s what our country needs. Let all the big businesses and corporations pay workers here whatever they want to, eliminate the minimum wage (like it’s realistic anyway), outlaw unionism, flat out deny workers any benefits or retirement and big business and the stock market will go through the roof. Happy days will be here again before you know it, for some. What were we hearing a few years ago when the powers that be were trying to rally everyone around the flag pole while selling a bullshit war? Patriotism, patriotism, patriotism! Boy that tune sure turned fast to US workers don’t deserve a damn thing, they’re a bunch of over paid cry babies, screw them. Meanwhile corporate profits (until the bubble burst, were going through the roof while average workers pay and benefits were going down the drain. No average worker should deserve $20, $30,or $40 an hour but these CEO’s deserve every bit of the millions and tens of millions they get. As much of a joke as that is, the corporate CEO’s earn chump change compared to the hedge fund managers who are earning in the hundreds of millions of dollars up to the multi billions of dollars a year. Last year the average hedge fund declined 19%, even so, after a 48% cut in pay, the highest paid hedge fund manager, James Simons pulled in $2.5 billion. And by god while no everyday worker deserves what they’re being paid I bet he deserves every penny. Are people really so stupid, blind and obsessed with greed that they don’t realize the damage being done to this country by these corporations and the stock market making way over blown and unearned profits? Evidently so.

]]> By: Inq http://www.odesk.com/blog/2009/03/employees-vs-contractors-comparing-ups-fedex-models/comment-page-1/#comment-58701 Inq Wed, 01 Apr 2009 00:14:44 +0000 http://www.odesk.com/blog/?p=3110#comment-58701 Good one. They need to see the real benefits of employees and how much it costs more. Good one. They need to see the real benefits of employees and how much it costs more.

]]> By: Bill Tilley http://www.odesk.com/blog/2009/03/employees-vs-contractors-comparing-ups-fedex-models/comment-page-1/#comment-58687 Bill Tilley Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:02:09 +0000 http://www.odesk.com/blog/?p=3110#comment-58687 Thanks for the thoughtful analogy. Both models obviously have their pluses and minuses. Both companies thrive with their respective models. Its hard to say one is superior over the other. In general I think American companies and workers have shifted to a more independent model and workers seem ok with it. The worker realizes they have no security anyway being an employee and as described in the article many of the perks are vanishing so you might as well keep the flexibility and opportunity of being self employed. Thanks for the thoughtful analogy. Both models obviously have their pluses and minuses. Both companies thrive with their respective models. Its hard to say one is superior over the other. In general I think American companies and workers have shifted to a more independent model and workers seem ok with it. The worker realizes they have no security anyway being an employee and as described in the article many of the perks are vanishing so you might as well keep the flexibility and opportunity of being self employed.

]]> By: Jonathan - Advanced Life Skills http://www.odesk.com/blog/2009/03/employees-vs-contractors-comparing-ups-fedex-models/comment-page-1/#comment-58684 Jonathan - Advanced Life Skills Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:18:52 +0000 http://www.odesk.com/blog/?p=3110#comment-58684 I think some services will always be employee based, it’s hard to imagine major airlines going to subcontractors for example (although the current model is dysfunctional). Where possible, I believe we are moving decidedly toward outsourcing to contractors in the service sector, and especially in manufacturing. It’s unavoidable. I think some services will always be employee based, it’s hard to imagine major airlines going to subcontractors for example (although the current model is dysfunctional). Where possible, I believe we are moving decidedly toward outsourcing to contractors in the service sector, and especially in manufacturing. It’s unavoidable.

]]> By: jenn c http://www.odesk.com/blog/2009/03/employees-vs-contractors-comparing-ups-fedex-models/comment-page-1/#comment-58636 jenn c Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:58:15 +0000 http://www.odesk.com/blog/?p=3110#comment-58636 You should clarify that it's FedEx Ground that has an independent contractor model and the logo you're showing is FedEx Express. Wouldn't want to mislead your readers by providing the wrong facts. Also, it's not just FedEx Ground that has independent contractors, it's also Hallmark, nurses, Pastors. You should clarify that it’s FedEx Ground that has an independent contractor model and the logo you’re showing is FedEx Express. Wouldn’t want to mislead your readers by providing the wrong facts.

Also, it’s not just FedEx Ground that has independent contractors, it’s also Hallmark, nurses, Pastors.

]]> By: Md. Mahmud Ahsan http://www.odesk.com/blog/2009/03/employees-vs-contractors-comparing-ups-fedex-models/comment-page-1/#comment-58630 Md. Mahmud Ahsan Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:38:50 +0000 http://www.odesk.com/blog/?p=3110#comment-58630 nice article nice article

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