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paying more than once per job (fixed price)

I have posted a job on a per job basis. I have invited my two contractors to do the work.
It is a set price per job but I have several jobs to do. Can I use the same job post that I invited them to do for each of the individual jobs they do? Or do I have to post a new job every time?

I have on going work with these guys on a permanent basis and they need to get paid on a per job basis but I do not want to raise a new job each time I have to pay them.

cheers for any advice

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Hi Mick, Yes, You can use

Hi Mick,

Yes, You can use the same contract to make more payments. If it's an hourly contract, your contractors can simply continue logging appropriate time to the contract. For fixed price, just keep adding milestone payments as required.

Hope this helps!

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Ayesha, I have to disagree

Ayesha, I have to disagree with you on this.

One contract per job.

This was discussed sometime earlier this week or last.

As a contractor I would not accept it.
If by chance something went wrong with any of the jobs under that one contract,
then to remove any negitive feedback the whole amount of the included jobs would
have to be refunded to remove the feedback.

I have one like that and I am going to miss some excelent feedback on two jobs
because they were combined into one. The jobs under this contract are not
in the same sectors. That puts it at being missleading in that which job
will the feedback be left for.

This applies to the Client as well.

Do a better job? The thought

Do a better job? The thought of proactively considering the refund system as a way of removing negative feedback seems like bad business to me, possibly even unethical.

There are other reasons to break down multiple projects separately such as to farm more ratings/reviews for each job individually, though this isn't much better.

The idea of the ratings, at least to me, is to have the option of showing past employer opinions of your work quality and ethic. To split jobs in an effort to increase the number of ratings from a single employer or to remove negative ratings by way of refund is a manipulation of the system.

As such, potential employers in the future do not see your true workmanship rating but instead, the product of your ability to mold your own score into where you want it to be.

At least, that is how I see it.

Somewhere between the two

I think it is very sensible to break up long term work with the same client. We are talking very small businesses here on both sides, often individuals, and people have misunderstandings and disagreements. Both sides are risking a huge hit to their ratings if they fall out after a long-standing relationship. I don't think a new contract for every single job is necessary though. Maybe for the first couple and periodically thereafter. Also, as Joseph mentioned, if the jobs are significantly different, then it is helpful for the contractor to have feedback for both. Doesn't affect the overall rating because this is weighted.

It may not have sounded like

It may not have sounded like it but my response was not an attack on Joseph or least that was not my intention. Instead, it was a rant against this all-to-common approach to increasing ratings through manipulation.

I do agree with both of you however on the point of splitting contracts even through the same employer, when the jobs are very different. Two very different skills should be rated separately.

Also, I haven't had my pie this morning. No good for anyone...

Well

I think occasional splitting regardless is sensible, especially because a long-term contract coming to an end means one party ended it, and the other might not be too happy. It wouldn't be a particular clever way of trying to manipulate scores anyway - anybody would be able to see that all of Mr Blah's 105 5/5 ratings came from the same person, probably Mrs Blah.

As for refunding to improve scores, I think that is a really, really bad idea. It encourages feedback blackmail on one side and allows shoddy contractors to get rid of all their poor feedback on the other. Personally, I think oDesk should remove that option altogether. It can consider reports of unfair feedback on a case-by-case basis.

And attacking Joseph seems like a perfectly valid way to relieve early morning pre-pie tension. Go for it. He won't mind.

lol. No I don't mind. I know

lol. No I don't mind.

I know what it sounded like. But glad that both of you came back and put
more of an explanation into it.

Did not want to use the bad feedback as an example, but just could not think.

More bad advice, typical

More bad advice, typical refund oDesk wannabe, so many of them here on oDesk

Thanks Guys. I appreciate the

Thanks Guys. I appreciate the feed back. The work I am getting done is almost identical from job to job so I see no sense in starting new jobs each time. But that being said I understand that my contractors would like the ratings to count. So I might talk to them and agree that for every 10 jobs they do I will start a new job so they can get the review they deserve.

cheers again.

As a contractor....

As a contractor I am more comfortable with separate contracts. Not because I'm trying to boost my rating, but because it protects me a little more. If you only have one contract there's little proof that the client was willing to continue paying your for additional work.

I understand the frustration with opening new contracts all the time though, I imagine it can get annoying. I guess if you are communicating via email where there is a record of the additional work and agreement to pay it would work just fine.

If the contractors are fine with it and it doesn't cause any issues I don't see a problem with working under one contract.

What you can do is bill fixed

What you can do is bill fixed price work with an hourly contract using manual time, and put memos for each chunk of work for what that work was for. Make their hourly wage $10/hr and then when they do $60 of work, they manually bill 6 hours. Or maybe if they do $15 of work, they can bill 1.5 hours. It works for large and small amounts of work, and it's great for work that's reoccurring. I never work hourly jobs with the team viewer, all of my hourly jobs are billed with manual time, because all of my work is fixed price. My hourly rate is only for the convenience of billing manual time.

Note to contractors: manual time is not guaranteed, so make sure you do this with a trusted client. Also, it may not look good to see on a $10/hr job on a contractor's profiles who normally get $20/hr or $30/hr. You can make the job's hourly wage whatever makes sense when manually billing the fixed price work to fix this, but be prepared to do some extra math to make sure you bill them right.