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How Does oDesk take the situation, When Contractor declines project for too low price or rate?

oDesk is a business and if a contractor declines project due to low rate, it's obviously loss of oDesk too. Does oDesk take any action to stop low rate contracts? Seeing the large no. of low price contracts, I felt that what will be oDesk's earnings if this continues? Does oDesk have any strategies to improve this situation?

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Please....

Some bottom feeder always comes along to pick up the job. oDesk gets its money. And no, they have no intention of changing their low-balling business structure.

Yes I know that, I was

Yes I know that, I was thinking about what will be the 10 % of the jobs like 1$, what will oDesk gain from such jobs. Does oDesk wish to increase their business or not..at least? Also I thought, oDesk must be changing strategies if they get too many jobs declined just because of low price.

Actually

Actually, some of us contribute our 10% so they won't intervene (aside from obvious illegal activity). It helps with motivation that income can rise and fall $1 an hour one day and $30 an hour the next. Supply and demand. Organised labour, minimum rates etc etc is the job of our respective local governments and local big business and we can all join in with that if we want (how is that working out for you?). We are independent workers that can think for ourselves and I hardly think that world economies are make or break with our bit of earnings.

Thanks Julie for the apt

Thanks Julie for the apt reply. I got the answer of my curious questions.

"Do something" like..... what, exactly?

Mohini P. wrote:
Yes I know that, I was thinking about what will be the 10 % of the jobs like 1$, what will oDesk gain from such jobs. Does oDesk wish to increase their business or not..at least? Also I thought, oDesk must be changing strategies if they get too many jobs declined just because of low price.

Someone will take the low paying jobs, and there are thousands of them so it still stacks up to a good deal of money for oDesk.

oDesk IS increasing their business, and there are enough people working at higher rate to balance things out.

You don't seriously believe that oDesk "doing something" would make those clients up their rates, do you? They'd simply go elsewhere - so their business would be lost completely. The onus is NOT on oDesk "to do something" - it is on the contractors to offer services that the clients are willing to pay better rates for.

It's a bit like eBay: "Stuff" sold on eBay finds its own pricing level, and there are cheap things and expensive things and some that don't sell at all.

It's the same here.

Supply and Demand = Price.

Just stop Petra

Stop comparing oDesk to Ebay this is not an auction, stop posting negative comments on peoples feedback that is meant for oDesk to see not your negative self.

Question?

Charles Cagle Ii wrote:
Stop comparing oDesk to Ebay this is not an auction, stop posting negative comments on peoples feedback that is meant for oDesk to see not your negative self.

What got your panties in a wad this morning?

You're spamming every thread on here with your anger and angst. Grab a cup of coffee and sit a spell. I suspect you'll feel much better after. Smile

Charming!

Charles Cagle Ii wrote:
You are one to talk you sweatshop supporting piece of trash. I am only commenting towards you negative Nancy punks that keep coming on here trashing everyone elses threads, you both need to go take a long walk off a short pier.

Rude, totally ignorant and just about semi-literate.

Just the kind of professional the freelancing world needs.

I take insults from your ilk as a compliment

Charles Cagle Ii wrote:
Completely negative, can not make a constructive post of her own, so goes into everyone's post and compares oDesk to Ebay, and degrades their statement that was not meant for her in the first place. This ****needs to jump off the tallest mountain she can find.

Yes. Whatever.

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I didn't make it up - you did not edit it fast enough

Charles Cagle Ii wrote:
Go figure just like your kind. BTW you are breaking oDesk policy with a fake profile name.

I am not breaking any oDesk policies, I do not have a fake name, and my account is identity checked and verified.

This may be a good time for you to have a little lie down and get a modicum of a grip on yourself.

Neither is fake.

Charles Cagle Ii wrote:
Everything about you is fake other than that bottle of vodka in your hand.

The only thing in my hand is a mug of black coffee.

My name is real, the photo is of myself.

What's the matter with you?

Don't worry Petra

He's simply a troll trying to get himself banned from the forum so he has something else to whine about. I suspect his minutes here are truly numbered - he just spreads hate and discontent ... he's miserable and you know what they say "misery loves company". Ignore him he'll go away eventually.

not worried in the slightest....

Doreen Martel wrote:
He's simply a troll trying to get himself banned from the forum so he has something else to whine about. I suspect his minutes here are truly numbered - he just spreads hate and discontent ... he's miserable and you know what they say "misery loves company". Ignore him he'll go away eventually.

Amused, maybe. We don't see displays like this very often Smile

But yes, I think a ban can't be too far away. What a shame....

Both are fake

and we all saw your drunk typing earlier, and like 30 people commented on it in that thread. Thats what you get for being a negative nancy that just comes in threads and wants to change the topic to ebay.

Edited as not appropriate :)

I had to edit this comment because the comment I was responding to was deleted. It appears our troll has been banned Smile

Maybe......

Doreen Martel wrote:
I had to edit this comment because the comment I was responding to was deleted. It appears our troll has been banned :)

Maybe.... or maybe the nice men with the soothing voices in the white coats took him away, in a fetching jacket with the sleeves tied at the back, when he started foaming at the mouth and bouncing off the walls.....

You have to laugh.

Those are the kinds of poor sots I've learned to just ignore and walk around, because they tend to enjoy rolling around in their own pathetic victimization.
Therapy is always a good idea for that type of person, of course, but its rarely effective because they're so enamored of their own misspelled word spoor.

Therapy is good for your type

Therapy is good for your type of person, who can not come up with their own idea, must go into other peoples posts and throw them way off topic without actually adding to the feedback, only rewashing the fact that it is that way, instead of offering suggestions for improvement. You are worthless, create your own posts, stay off other peoples.

and you are obsessed to

and you are obsessed to respond to them. Therapy for you.

Oh but you do, and everytime

Oh but you do, and everytime you respond you prove it even more. Borderline OCD I think.

Thanks Petra for explaining

Thanks Petra for explaining the situation clearly. My reason to ask the question was the curiosity from oDesk's point of view not as complain from contractor's view. I know, interactive forum has lots of threads about low rates etc, so I didn't wish to raise same issue again. Also, I know that what is high for one can be too low for someone else. So, finally this made me think about oDesk's point of view. Smile

Not a problem for oDesk.

Mohini P. wrote:
oDesk must be changing strategies if they get too many jobs declined just because of low price.

There are just way too many contractors willing to work for $1 and even lower.

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I agree with you Natasha,

I agree with you Natasha, that there are just too many. Smile

I doubt it

Although I think oDesk could really do with a clean up - you can take the relaxed approach much too far - I don't think it is planning to any time soon.

I read a review about oDesk

I read a review about oDesk on some site, where it was mentioned that oDesk is becoming known for low price projects.

Here's the problem

Mohini P. wrote:
I read a review about oDesk on some site, where it was mentioned that oDesk is becoming known for low price projects.

There is something of an irony here: People who are unhappy about rates will scream and yell but they do nothing to "lift" their own rates. I started here at a VERY low rate much to my chagrin. In the past year not applied for one single assignment and I have turned down at least one or two each week.

I won't accept assignments on specific topics, I won't accept clients who are not willing to pay up front and I refuse to accept anything that diminishes my current rate. With that said, you can clearly see I don't have a lot of open assignments because I do most of my work outside of oDesk.

This platform isn't for the faint of heart, you need to make sure you stand up for yourself (just like any other freelancing platform). To blame oDesk for low rates is sort of like blaming your dog for the fact you have no food in the house.

I am not sure the reviewer of

I am not sure the reviewer of oDesk is contractor here or not. Something similar is happening with me too, but working for the rate which I can't afford will be almost for free, and that too for the good feedback. So, I have patience and focused on improving my knowledge.

I should imagine that the

I should imagine that the 'too low' complaints are filtered out, so tech support doesn't have to waste the time ignoring them.

Hmm...

Hmm...Smile

Until people are willing to

Until people are willing to work for $1 or less, oDesk can't do much and you can complain here as much as you'd like.

I always set my price, if the client doesn't like my price and quality, he/she is free to hire some **** (no disrespect intended, you can replace this with ***** - where I'm from) person for $0.5. Just don't cry later that contractor didn't know what he/she was doing and that you got screwed.

For some projects I deliberately wait to see what kind of client is, if he is conducting interviews with the lowest bids or highest ones, so that I know if I even bother to write an application.

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I had this question, when in

I had this question, when in one case, the price was made too low during interview phase. If I would know this earlier, I wouldn't have applied. In fact, when I found, I can apply only a few jobs due to low rates, I started reviving my knowledge of other fields where price range is high but again, the same question arises because low and high are relative terms.

About the quality of work, I have noted that people are ok with low quality if the rate is low.

This is just wrong!

Mohini wrote:

About the quality of work, I have noted that people are ok with low quality if the rate is low.

This is sad. Any freelancer who is willing to submit low-quality work shouldn't be freelancing.

sadly

This happens on all the freelancer sites, and I have tried them all. I enjoy oDesks structure the best, its cleaner easier to navigate (have you tried to find a job on freelancer lately)ugh omg some of them can be rediculous. There are going to be people that will apply for the 1$ an hour jobs one very site, just remember that the clients posting these jobs are also going to get what they pay for, 1$ an hour worth of work, which is not much or of high quality. Do you really want to work for these cleints?

oDesk structure is good no

oDesk structure is good no doubt, but I still would like to know from oDesk's side, what is the impact of low rate projects and on their business?I wonder why I am redirected to help articles from your profile?

I think the problem is

Mohini P. wrote:
oDesk is a business and if a contractor declines project due to low rate, it's obviously loss of oDesk too. Does oDesk take any action to stop low rate contracts? Seeing the large no. of low price contracts, I felt that what will be oDesk's earnings if this continues? Does oDesk have any strategies to improve this situation?

I suspect that many users reject assignments based on "rates too low". I'm uncertain as to whether or not oDesk uses this data or not.

I also suspect that oDesk has no vested interest to eliminate these "bottom feeder" assignments because frankly, with the number of users who are desperate enough to accept these assignments, there is always going to be a market for them. It's a sad and unfortunate state of affairs with most freelancing platforms.

That's something I was curious to know about.

That's something I was curious to know about. As there is an option, to click the reason for declining contract, I thought that these reasons are later analysed and strategy changes must be or may not be done.

The thing is, Mohini

Mohini P. wrote:
That's something I was curious to know about. As there is an option, to click the reason for declining contract, I thought that these reasons are later analysed and strategy changes must be or may not be done.

The thing is - every time you decline a project because the budget is too low, one of three things happens:

1) Some other contractor accepts it and works the contract, and oDesk get their 10%

2) The client can not find what they want at that rate, wake up and pay more money. oDesk get 10% of "more money"

3) The client gives up and scraps the project because they can't get anyone to work for the low rate AND can not or do not want to raise the price. oDesk gets nothing.

oDesk "wins" when 1 or 2 happens. oDesk never stood a chance when 3 happens, so does not LOSE money. There is no gain, but there is no loss either because the project, at the price, was never viable in the first place.

Now let's assume oDesk were to implement some system that would fix some kind of minimum rate or price.

The clients who can not and will not pay that price will not even post their projects. oDesk loses because that would be less projects on offer (even contracts that are not viable are "contracts" and therefor a marketing tool.

The clients who would have found a contractor at a low rate won't even post their projects either, and the contractors don't get at least the CHOICE whether to apply or not, and oDesk loses out on 10% of the low rate, plus the number of contracts on offer.

The clients who would have tried to get someone at the low rate, and were then educated during the selection process that paying a bit or even a lot more makes sound business sense, won't be educated because they don't even try to post their contracts and therefor can not be educated that paying more would be a good idea. So oDesk loses the 10% on the revised rate that the client would have offered once they had been convinced that it's a good idea because the client never posted it in the first place. The contractors lose out because they lost the chance to convince the client that paying more makes sense.

That is why setting a minimum rate isn't a smart idea and not really in anyone's interest.

Thanks Petra, once again,

Thanks Petra, once again, because I missed these possibilities and analysis while thinking on this question. Smile.