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Bidding process against US Citizens

As a US Citizen/Contractor, I am finding it very difficult to bid against those in countries where one US dollar is worth much more than in the US. Those contractors bid for $1 - $3.00 per hour for the same job I was being paid $10.00 per hour here in the US. I understand that I will not get the same pay when doing it from home, however, the Client is also not having to pay me insurance, workman's comp, taxes, etc. The Clients seem to want those of us who use English as our native language but they just can't resist $2.00 per hour. But I am seeing more and more job applications for accurate language skills. Still, I don't see them giving the job to people for $4.00 -$6.00 per hour. They actually wanted Nurses(RN) for $7.00 per hour. They make $25 - $45.00 per hour here in the States. I just can't bring myself to apply for jobs that are clearly "All about the Money" instead of quality.

GB - Contractor

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This topic has been discussed

This topic has been discussed many times on this forum. Again, this is a global marketplace. It does not matter where you're from and you're not entitled to any minimum wage. After living in the States for years, I find this entitlement mentality quite prevalent for US workers. Many people are covered in such a bubble wrap social welfare that makes it hard for them to compete once they are out of their comfort zone. In many other countries, unemployment benefits are virtually nil, zero, na da and if you don't improve yourself to find work and keep them then you're out in the street.

Pertaining to this platform, you need to consider what skills you can leverage for the jobs you apply to. If such a job does not require skills of a native speaker or a specific specialty of yours, then perhaps you are doing it wrong. However, there are many decent-paying jobs that specifically ask for US/US-hours contractors and there are quite a few US contractors making big bucks here. Market yourself, avoid competing with the mass and show the clients why you would do a better job than others. Remember, except for purely labor bottom-feeders that do not require any meaningful skill, most clients still want quality and speed first and foremost.

Well said Cong V.

Well said Cong V.

Ms Becker,Just going by your

Ms Becker,

Just going by your profile, there is not much there to market yourself with.

Your ability list is on the low side of pay in the global market.
Pretty much 'a dime a dozen'.

Do not know really what to tell you, except you need to make yourself
more marketable and worth more.

You are not working in the USA now, you are working in/on Earth.

As a Reminder...

...many of those low balling clients are American citizens themselves. I have an associate who contracts freelance work and would rather pay for cheap labor, quality be damned. The point is always made, "you get what you pay for," but you know what? These clients have low expectations of their product to begin with. Working in the video niche, I'm stunned by some of the crap clients are willing to settle for. Better to say, "you get what you want."

My carping aside, this is how the global market works. Supply and demand. No value for expertise. It's only going to get worse as more unemployable people (and I include myself in this description) join the virtual workplace. Adjust or get out of game.

I agree with your comments

I agree with your comments completely. That's why I am getting out of this game and going back to the real world marketplace where skills are still what counts in most companies. I have an interview on Tuesday for a $12.00/hr job with bonus. Hope you can join me soon.

There are advantages.

Miriam Becker wrote:
I agree with your comments completely. That's why I am getting out of this game and going back to the real world marketplace where skills are still what counts in most companies. I have an interview on Tuesday for a $12.00/hr job with bonus. Hope you can join me soon.

Not for $12 an hour. My last job in a vet clinic only paid $15 an hour and I was on my feet all day with little energy left to do the things I wanted to do once I got home.

I make at least 3X that writing and I sit at home in my pjs to do it. AND I only work the hours I want to work.

These are only 3 of the advantages freelancing can bring you.

(Granted, I don't do a lot of work on this platform because of it's inability to get rid of the scammers -- both clients and contractors.)

Cheap Work is not Good Work! - Good Work does not come Cheap!

Miriam Becker wrote:
As a US Citizen/Contractor, I am finding it very difficult to bid against those in countries where one US dollar is worth much more than in the US. Those contractors bid for $1 - $3.00 per hour for the same job I was being paid $10.00 per hour here in the US. I understand that I will not get the same pay when doing it from home, however, the Client is also not having to pay me insurance, workman's comp, taxes, etc. The Clients seem to want those of us who use English as our native language but they just can't resist $2.00 per hour. But I am seeing more and more job applications for accurate language skills. Still, I don't see them giving the job to people for $4.00 -$6.00 per hour. They actually wanted Nurses(RN) for $7.00 per hour. They make $25 - $45.00 per hour here in the States. I just can't bring myself to apply for jobs that are clearly "All about the Money" instead of quality.

GB - Contractor

Hi Miriam,

I know exactly what you mean! - Been there, done that, and have the Tee-Shirts and Medals to prove it! - Third World 'Data-Entry' Contractors who consider themselves to be Qualified Architects! - Just because they downloaded Sketchup! Oh, and not forgetting the 'Cheapskate Bottom-Feeder Clients' who think that it is 'Smart and Clever' to hire someone for a Dollar-an-Hour! - Because some 'Clown' wrote it as a Policy Statement in their ERP!

Unfortunately, these 'Vultures' will always be with us. Remarkably, they are prepared to pay over USD 100.00 Per Hour for a 'Grease Monkey' to Change the Oil in their car, but are unwilling to give a fraction of that rate for Professional Work.

However, one 'Marketing Angle' that appears to be working for me, is where I apply for the USD 1.00/Hr Job and just leave a message, requesting that the Client gets back in touch with me, when it all goes wrong! - Keep and eye out also for the jobs that appear to 'Go around the Block' a few times too! - Slightly different Job Descriptions, but the same Client! - Who has been hit by a Contractor who has failed to perform, or did not match the expectations of his CV! In a lot of these instances the CV's and Portfolios have been Plagiarised - And the Client has been 'Stung!'

On the 'Second Time Around' YOU have the 'Upper Hand!' - As the Client is running out of time, and is about to be embarassed because of non-delivery, himself! - The table has been turned, and you can negotiate on YOUR Terms!

On the one hand 'Bottom-Lining' by Clients merely dents their pride, and costs a few Dollars. However, on the other hand, it can cost lives! - My wife recently read through a Medical Transcription where the (Third World) writer obviously did not know the difference between Hypoglycaemic and Hyperglycaemic! - The difference really does matter to the Patient! Often, in my own profession, clients regard the discovery of a Design Error as 'Astonishing' because the drawings have been 'Approved!' - Mmmmmm Approved with a little incentive under the table, but still fundamentally wrong! - Accompanied with Lame Excuses, such as ". . . we took out that Loadbearing Wall because it was in the way!" OR ". . . we did not provide an Electrical Earth, because it Wastes Cable!" - Two of the 'Medals' in my collection!

Just console yourself in the fact that a 'Fool and his Money are Easily Parted!' - And that 'Cheap Work is not Good Work! - Good Work does not come Cheap!'

Look where the practice of 'Following the Bottom-Line'got Boeing recently! I think that I might wait for a while before flying on a 787!

Rewrite your profile and

Rewrite your profile and focus on your bookkeeping and transcription skills. You should give more time on taking tests and add portfolio items. Occasionally i have seen job postings that require only American applicants. Keep in mind that online marketplaces are only just a way of getting clients.

About bidding, when you see a client that has hired in the past contractors for the same job with really low hourly rates don't apply at all!

Bidding against US clients

I agree that many of the pay rates suck. I'll see a job posting for a writing or proofreading job that wants only native English speakers and then see that they want to pay less than $5 an hour and then want you to have over 100 oDesk hours as well. I can understand if the Clients are based in a third world country where $2 to $3 is a lot of money, but I cannot understand it when the Client is based in the US, Canada, England, or Europe. I started out charging $7 an hour and now charge $15. I have applied to some of these jobs in the hopes that the Client will realize that I am the only or one of the few applicants who meet his requirements. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

I do wish that they could screen out the job applications that want you do provide a test sample of your work on a topic that they have selected and do this for free. I had one job that requested that and I informed him that I would provide him with some ideas if he would pay me for an hour's work. He did and then he hired me to do more work.

I am also tired of seeing what appears to be high school and college students wanting to hire people to write their reports for them. I can see asking for proofreading assistance, but not to do their homework for them. There are also Clients who indicate that they need the work completed ASAP and then do not even look at their job posting for several days.

Before I apply to a job, I check to see what kind of money they have paid in the past and will not even apply to a job if they have paid less than $5 an hour for work that should have cost them more.