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Protecting ourselves from dishonest clients

Hi,
I'm in the middle of a bad experience: I've completed the work for a client and she doesn't seem to be in any hurry to pay. I still don't know which way this will go - it might just be a minor misunderstanding - but it has got me thinking about ways to protect ourselves. I'd like to see what other contractors are doing.
Here's what I did with about 160 pages of text (40 hours of work) on a fixed price contract: I didn't want to just upload the whole document because that would be the end of my leverage, but I couldn't expect the client to pay me without seeing the work. So I created an encrypted PDF file that allowed the client to read, but restricted copy-paste and editing. That way, it's clear that I did the work, but the content isn't usable.
For anyone who might not know how to do this, here's a step-by-step:
I used LibreOffice (or OpenOffice) where I can export a file as a PDF. Once you're in the PDF dialog, click on the "security" tab, and then the "set passwords" button. Once there, you can set two different passwords, one for the document to allow readers to see the content - for our purposes, we don't really need to set this at all - and the other to set permissions. Once that password is set, you can un-click the "enable copying of content" and click changes "not permitted." Give the file a name and you're done!
Anyone have other ideas?
David Clinton

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You could have also exported

You could have also exported the writing as a graphic (8-bit .PNG for filesize and clarity).

The thing is, that sort of thing is ultimately futile...if the client really wants the work then they could screen-capture it then run it through an OCR program. The other thing is that -by demonstrating a lack of trust in your client- your client will be less inclined to trust you in return, and there has to be some trust in a business relationship or things are just not going to work.

A lot of contractors -especially in the writing game- charge a greater or lesser amount upfront; thus transferring some of the risk to the client.

> You could have also

> You could have also exported the writing as a graphic (8-bit .PNG for filesize and clarity).

That's a good point.

>The thing is, that sort of thing is ultimately futile...if the client really wants the work then they could screen-capture it then run it through an OCR program.

I haven't used OCR for a handful of years, but back then at least, it was only 98-99% accurate on texts like these. Over 160 pages, that's a LOT of editing! At any rate, it's a deterrent, rather than a brick wall.

> by demonstrating a lack of trust in your client- your client will be less inclined to trust you in return, and there has to be some trust in a business relationship or things are just not going to work.

You're right. I have only done this once so far, as there were things that made me uncomfortable about the situation. Normally I've had great relationships with my clients.

> A lot of contractors -especially in the writing game- charge a greater or lesser amount upfront; thus transferring some of the risk to the client.

That would have been far better. I suggested it up front, but it was ignored and I just let it go...

David

Also contact customer support

David Clinton wrote:

> A lot of contractors -especially in the writing game- charge a greater or lesser amount upfront; thus transferring some of the risk to the client.

That would have been far better. I suggested it up front, but it was ignored and I just let it go...

David

I am really sorry this has happened to you, and Michelle. Please contact customer support as well. They can not force the client to pay but they do monitor such clients, and sometimes a reminder from oDesk does bring forth payment. It sounds unlikely in this case however.

Don't make an up front payment optional. Don't apologise for it, don't explain it, don't argue over it. Put it in your quote and then discuss milestone payments at the interview stage. It is the professional thing to do and the scammers will not do it, so you avoid some of them straight away.

I keep seeing contractors say: " but if I ask for an up front payment the client may not hire me!"

Well, if a client is not going to pay you it's better not to be hired as it's just a waste of valuable time and a lot of hassle on top!

OCR is pretty reliable these

OCR is pretty reliable these days; but it's mostly down to the font type and size. PDFs are vector, though, so by expanding the document to 'fit to width' and screen capturing that, you can get a very high-quality capture of the whole lot in one click. I'm not going to do a step-by-step because I don't want to help scammers; but were I a dishonest client I'm confident that I could own your content in text form -in minutes- with no editing required and with just the software I have on my machine right now.

Maybe .PNG might be a better option after all; because that way you can limit the resolution and have the text just slightly under 12pt (which seems to be where OCR starts having problems; but it depends very much on the font).

interesting and helpful

Thank you for that advice, Darren. I think it may be useful to me in the future.

Beware, fellow Odesk contractors

I, too, worked for this same client on this same project. I estimate, conservatively, that I invested about 60 hours in this project. The piece I submitted was 140 pages long.

I share the same concerns about the likelihood of this client paying, which seems questionable at this juncture. Unfortunately, I submitted my work in readily copy-and-pastable .docx format.

Submitting work as an encrypted .PDF is an excellent idea, and I will certainly do this in the future. Though it isn't perfect, it does add a certain level of protection.

This client may come through and pay. Regardless, I have learned an important lesson.

And just so you know, this client still has open jobs here on Odesk, and has paid NO ONE as far as I can tell (all are listed as “job in progress"). One of the two open jobs appears to be identical to the job to which this thread refers.

Be wise, fellow Odeskers. Don't make the same mistake I did. If you’re going to submit a large amount of material and the client seems like they might be flakey, at least afford yourself some minimal protection by making it more difficult for them to cut-and-paste and run.

Never mind making it copy-and-paste proof. GET PAYMENTS !

Don't even BOTHER making anything copy and paste proof, he'll just hire some bottom-feeder at $ 0,25 an hour to type it out.

What you REALLY need to do, people, is get 1) an UP FRONT PAYMENT and MILESTONE payments.

No point messing about with copy-paste protection after you have invested the time. Get PAID for your time.

Any client who refuses reasonable up front payments and milestone payments: DO NOT WORK FOR unless you can comfortably afford to lose the time, work, and money.

If you get regular milestone payments you only stand to lose the value of ONE milestone payment at a time, AND you can leave feedback.

Same Story.Ever since I

Same Story.
Ever since I accepted this job offer, I started suspecting the client. Firstly there was no communication at all, I asked the client(Isabell) detailed questions and sought reply from her. I sent her 10 messages and she replied only once and that too single word answers, mentioning nothing about payment.

I sent her half the work done and asked for payment but she has not made any payment and instead asking for the remaining part of the work. I have been contacting odesk regulary about the fraudulent activities of this client but no concrete steps have yet been taken. I tried contacting other contractors and finally got in touch with David.
And another contractor who was hired for the same job, he told that the client ** ended his contract after receiving the docx file and without paying anything.

** is stil hiring contractors wth exactly the same job offers and cheating them,
Ths first job posting reads 'Quiz Question Writing for students' and the second job posting 'Create Review for Academic Test (gre, sat, etc)'. I am highly disappointed by this experience and would sincerely request fellow contractors not to work for this fake client.

*"Removed by admin"

Fraud

2 hours ago, ** hired me. The customer was suspicious because she didn't reply to my messages after I requested milestone payments. Eris Sinclair warned me about her fraud and I finished the contract with her.

*"Removed by admin"

same situation

I am running an agency and my people did 500 questions for her ** in 6 days. The worst nightmare is that I need to pay around 400$ to the people who worked on this project along with me. Mostly I trust clients from US and Canada because they are most honest. But If now I ll not pay my agency contractors I ll be accused as I was from Pakistan, So I didn't pay.
Now I don't know what to do with that.
Any suggestions please

*"Removed by admin"

Even I had exams, so got this

Even I had exams, so got this job done by a few people and paid them. The worst thing is that she has hired 6 new contractors very recenty for the same job, and yet, odesk support is not taking any steps to remove the job posting or deleting the fake client id. Though I have warned a few of the freshly hired contractors, lets hope nobody else gets cheated again by this fake client.

Try subliminal...

David.. that really s**ks big time. You know that gut feeling, well.. you better trust it. There were times when I have encountered clients who may be planning to burn me a few dollars. How did I make them pay? Simple. While I didn't threaten them and the likes, I simply implied how active I am in social networks, online review sites.. they get the picture right? I mean, not paying me for a couple of bucks can't equal the damage of a high-ranking business site review each time someone types in to search for their brand/business online. Bad reputation simply sticks. Wink

I've considered a version of

I've considered a version of that. We'll see how this turns out...
Thanks!

Hi David, Michelle, I'm

Hi David, Michelle,

I'm sorry you two had a bad experience. Please report to contact Customer Support asap so that they can investigate this.

While fixed price jobs are not guaranteed, non-payment is monitored and there is a procedure in place to deal with such clients.

In the future, do consider upfront payments and negotiate milestones to reduce the risk of non-payment.

oDesk Forum Moderator

Always reach for the skies, for even if you fall, you'll still be on the top of the world...

"monitoring and procedure in place"

Thank you for your response, Ayesha

Does "monitoring and . . . procedure in place" mean contractors will likely see payment in full for their work, or does it mean that the client's current job listings may be pulled? Both? Neither?

At this point, by my last count, there are 19 contractors involved in this potential mess at close to $500 a pop.

Just for the record, both David and I did attempt to negotiate up front payments, and the client declined. Perhaps I should have taken that as a warning sign and walked away at that point.

Lesson learned. A very expensive lesson.

I still have hope that this client will come through, but those hopes are growing very dim indeed.

Probably ....

Michele B. wrote:

Does "monitoring and . . . procedure in place" mean contractors will likely see payment in full for their work, or does it mean that the client's current job listings may be pulled? Both? Neither?

oDesk can not *get* your payment for you, but if the client is cheating on a large scale then eventually he'll become an ex-client. That won't help the contractors at all though.

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At this point, by my last count, there are 19 contractors involved in this potential mess at close to $500 a pop.

Just for the record, both David and I did attempt to negotiate up front payments, and the client declined. Perhaps I should have taken that as a warning sign and walked away at that point.

It should have been a huge warning sign, and I am stunned that people let it go to $ 500 without at least milestone payments. I can almost tolerate a client being weary of up front payments, but doing $ 500 Dollar's worth of work for a client with no history of paying (yes?) with not even any milestone payments is almost bordering on negligence Sad

To think that he found NINETEEN people who'd take such an incredibly expensive risk is nothing short of stunning!

You know that little window that pops up when you make a fixed rate bid, the one that clearly spells out that the client is completely free to not pay? The one we click on to say "Yes, I agree?"

Do people not believe that?

Heads up

It looks to me like this same client has gotten another account and is posting the same job again, with plenty of applicants.

Beware of jobs involving quiz question writing -- particularly medical -- that start in the $500 range.

Contact customer support, Michelle, to protect other contractors

Michele B. wrote:
It looks to me like this same client has gotten another account and is posting the same job again, with plenty of applicants.

Beware of jobs involving quiz question writing -- particularly medical -- that start in the $500 range.

Contact customer support, and explain the connection with the non-paying client. Maybe something gets done about it which could protect other contractors from being cheated as well....

yes

I have, Petra.

That is my sole goal at this point: protecting other contractors.

There is close to no chance that I will see a dime for the time I have invested.

Good for you!

Michele B. wrote:
I have, Petra.

That is my sole goal at this point: protecting other contractors.

There is close to no chance that I will see a dime for the time I have invested.

Hugs to you, Michele. I can't imagine how much this STINGS!

Do you know who the client is? Have you done a bit of research who the end client may be (it is unlikely to be the client who has not paid you!)

You ARE aware that as you have not been paid anything you still own the work? (If you'd have been paid a single Dollar then at this stage they'd own it)

thank you

Petra R. wrote:

Do you know who the client is? Have you done a bit of research who the end client may be (it is unlikely to be the client who has not paid you!)

I have done quite a bit of research into the matter, actually. Though I do not know the identity of the hiring individual, I now have the help of a sizable entity who is highly motivated to ensure that the hiring individual is unable to profit from the use of the materials created by Odesk contractors.

Petra R. wrote:
You ARE aware that as you have not been paid anything you still own the work? (If you'd have been paid a single Dollar then at this stage they'd own it)

Thank you for the heads up. Yes, I am aware. Unfortunately, due to the nature of the job, the material created would not be sellable elsewhere.

Sadly, there are likely at least 20 other people who have been caught in this mess. If I can help prevent even one more person from falling into the trap or continuing work on this futile project, having posted in this thread will be worth it to me.

now a third instance

Despite complaints for non-payment by this client, she has, in the last three hours, now posted yet another job identical to the first two. This one starts at $700. And this under the same account. This is deeply disturbing.

What a shame that so few folks will read this, and that nothing has been done to stop the monetary bloodbath.

There are going to be a lot of very unhappy Odesk contractors when this eventually comes to an end.

SMH

I also opened a support

I also opened a support ticket and, after 36 hours, it's still listed as "Awaiting assignment to a support agent" It sure doesn't seem to be a particularly high priority for odesk.

Ticket still unassigned

The help ticket I filed in this matter still remains unassigned, as well.

It's very sad, actually.

There are several Odesk contractors investing many hours of work right now for this client who will never be paid for their time or their product.

It's very disappointing that these listings are still up and still luring unsuspecting contractors.

verify identity

Is the name she even told us her real name?

Since Odesk is earning 10% from Fixed jobs, it would just be really helpful if they would actually ask the client to pay.

Also, before clients can make job posts, Odesk should ask them to verify their identity. Ask for legit IDs and such.

When I saw that she hired a lot of people for $700 each, I already started doubting that she has THAT big amount of money.

I submitted the first 60 questions I made and I was asking her for the payment for it because I clearly included in my job application that we will have milestones.

Her answer was just she doesn't do payment in parts. No excuses. No reasons.

So I politely explained to her about milestone payments and I linked her to pages on how to do it and why it's important.

Today, I was so surprised she ended the contract.

I asked for 2% upfront payment though (which was originally for just 10 questions.) Will I still receive that even though she ended the contract?

When you say you asked for an upfront payment, was it paid?

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I asked for 2% upfront payment though (which was originally for just 10 questions.) Will I still receive that even though she ended the contract?

Was the upfront payment actually paid into your wallet and was it more than $ 1.00?

Flag her job posting, selecting "fraud" and "asking for free work"

It's $12.6. I can't see it in

It's $12.6. I can't see it in my wallet. I thought it would be there in six days. (based on this: https://kb.odesk.com/questions/1051/Why+should+I+ask+for+an+upfront+payment+and+when+do+contractors+get+them%3F)

Well, the client never paid that up-front. Asking is NOT enough

Jenn B. wrote:
It's $12.6. I can't see it in my wallet. I thought it would be there in six days. (based on this: https://kb.odesk.com/questions/1051/Why+should+I+ask+for+an+upfront+payment+and+when+do+contractors+get+them%3F)

The up-front payment would show in your wallet as "pending" if it had been paid. It doesn't get paid afterwards, it is paid when the contract starts.

Just asking for an upfront payment is not enough as the client can just simply ignore the request. So unless it is in your wallet as "pending" then no. you won't get it.

Jenn, you have been here for 5 years. How do your up-front payments usually work?

Edited to add: I see your other contracts were hourly.

Basically just asking for an Up_Front payment is not enough. It has to be paid by the client too and this client doesn't seem to have paid it.

I can not stress strongly enough that anyone who works on a fixed price contract without controlling the way they will get paid is risking not getting paid. Protecting your work is more or less pointless, because once you have spent the time producing it that time is gone forever. Here we had a client who had NO history of paying ANYBODY anything - so working without getting money is plain financial suicide.

It does not MATTER if a client refuses to pay an up-front or milestone payments. If that happens you just decline and don't accept the work. That's all there is to it. Time is too precious to waste on work that will never ever get paid. We can't even blame oDesk - **WE** click on "I UNDERSTAND" when bidding on a fixed rate contract....

when to ask for milestone payment? before or after

My understanding of that Odesk post was, the upfront was automatic if the contractor included it in her bid, and the client hired her. So this is actually wrong? Odesk should edit that page better then.

So in your fixed jobs, Petra, when do you usually ask for milestone payment? Is it BEFORE you do the next part of the job ( that isn't covered anymore by the upfront you received), or AFTER doing that part of job? Thanks.

Jenn it's up to you, I agree to the terms at the interview stag

Jenn B. wrote:
My understanding of that Odesk post was, the upfront was automatic if the contractor included it in her bid, and the client hired her.

No. Nothing is automatic and these things have to be discussed and agreed between the client and the contractor. Unless you find the up-front payment in your wallet (even as "pending") it has not been paid. The system may prompt the client to pay but they can just ignore it.

I have done fixed rate work without any up-front payment but that's my risk to take and I sure as hell won't complain if it goes wrong (it never has yet but I am hellishly careful what kind of client I will agree to work with, or even apply to. Not in a month of Sundays would I have considered THAT client without a VERY sizable up-front payment.)

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So in your fixed jobs, Petra, when do you usually ask for milestone payment? Is it BEFORE you do the next part of the job ( that isn't covered anymore by the upfront you received), or AFTER doing that part of job? Thanks.

That absolutely has to be discussed, and agreed, during the interview stage.

You set out what you want and when. Entirely up to you! Say it's 100 questions you ask for an up front payment worth 20 and milestone payments for every 20 after that - so you'd get 20 paid, then do 40, get the payment for the next 20 and so on, so you are only ever gambling with the time and the money for 20 questions at a time. This is an example, and you need to use your own judgment and see what the client says. A client who flat out refuses is a HUGE danger sign, as is one who ignores the requests. Why people will waste their hours despite such clear "You're not going to get paid here, chum!" signs defeats me....

It is all about negotiating and running your business. Credit Control is a vital part of running a business and doing 40 hours (or more) of work without a Penny and for a client who has clearly NEVER EVER paid anyone a single Cent is almost criminally negligent!

People are often uncomfortable about asking for up-front payment or milestones. Don't be. That's what professionals DO. And professional clients understand that and don't even argue.

Never explain your request or, god forbid, apologize for it. It's your right, it's the conditions under which you will do business.

Thanks, Petra. By the way,

Thanks, Petra.

By the way, according to this, it's automatic.

"You can negotiate the amount during the interview, but only the contractor can adjust the amount paid upfront. When you hire a contractor who bid with an upfront payment, your financial account will reflect the upfront payment both automatically and immediately."

More here:

https://kb.odesk.com/questions/720/How+do+I+make+an+upfront+payment%3F

That is odd ........... Maybe oDesk could comment on this?????

Jenn B. wrote:
Thanks, Petra.

By the way, according to this, it's automatic.

"You can negotiate the amount during the interview, but only the contractor can adjust the amount paid upfront. When you hire a contractor who bid with an upfront payment, your financial account will reflect the upfront payment both automatically and immediately."

More here:

https://kb.odesk.com/questions/720/How+do+I+make+an+upfront+payment%3F

That's extremely strange. It seems to be wrong - as you CLEARLY haven't been paid any up front payment, or have you? Have another look in your wallet (although I am almost certain it won't be there) if there is a pending payment /
anything of the sort?

I have a client account and I am almost certain you can get rid of the up-front payment a contractor asks for, although I have not tried to do it, or tried to adjust it.....

"During Interview"

If you filled out the application and did not include a percentage or amount to be paid upfront at that time then it is not automatic. If you negotiate during the interview and are hired BEFORE you fill out "up front" in the original posting then it's never automatic.

That seems to be what you are saying: that you applied for the assignment, didn't put the upfront in when you applied and you negotiated it when you were interviewing. That would result in the client needing to do it manually.

I always include an upfront at the time of application and it's always automatic as soon as the client clicks on "hire". As far as I know they cannot "ignore" it.

in my case

In my case, I specified an up front payment (only 10%, I know now I should probably has asked for 50%up front, thanks to some sage advice of a friend) when I applied. Client declined that contract and substituted her own, which of course did not include any upfront payment. I suspect the contract offer was identical for all hires.

Odesk, act immediately to avoid more damage

David posted his message two days ago.

I'm sorry but I'm disappointed, Odesk.

If you just stopped the client from posting more work or suspending her on Odesk immediately, I wouldn't have started working for her.

I know that Odesk has a lot of things to focus on. But this is one of those things that are really important and more damage could have been avoided if there was just fast investigation and action.

I hope you'll consider this next time. If there is a serious report on a client, suspend her account. Or at least send warning to those working for her and stop her from posting more jobs.

Flag a client ?

Is it an option to flag this client ? Don't really know what actually will happen but I see the flag button option in the clients job posting.

Thanks for saving me

Hi all and thanks for this forum. God bless the person who invited me to read this forum. I did 125 questions for this client but never got any milestone payment. After that I stopped working on her assignment and today I decided to end the contract.

I hope oDesk is watching this scam and doing something about it.

I wonder what the total loss is. . .

Karan G. wrote:
I hope oDesk is watching this scam and doing something about it.

I, too, held out hope. That hope expired 3 days ago.

Odesk was alerted -- by more than one person -- yet the listing remains, she has added more listings, and even added a listing under a different name.

We're on our own here, folks.

Total loss for Odesk: $0
Total loss for contractors: *$10,000

*Calculated at approximately $500 / job with about 20 contractors involved

ticket assigned 11am Sunday

My ticket was assigned to an Odesk person today around 11am. The assigned person indicated that fixed price jobs aren't guaranteed, and that this case had been funnled to their "Quality" team. I appended the following questions to my ticket, and if I receive a response, I will update this post with those responses. Those questions appear below:

Questions For Odesk Regarding This Case wrote:

I have several questions

1. Does Odesk initiate legal action action clients who have hired Odesk contractors, received work products, and failed to pay?

2. If the client chooses not to pay me or the other 20 contractors involved in this travesty, do Odesk contractors have any avenues open to them to secure payment? For example, will Odesk release contact information for the client to the contractors from whom she stole work products?

3. What is the likelihood, if the client refuses to pay, that I will *ever* see any money out of this project on which I invested 60 hours of time (e.g., 1 in a million, about a 50/50 shot, 1 in 10 are eventually paid)?

4. Have her listings even been removed at this point?

5. What more can I do, or can other contractors do, to increase the likelihood that we will be reimbursed for our work for THIS CLIENT. NB: I'm not asking for advice on how to get up front payments on future fixed-price jobs. I'm asking what we can do, if anything, to get paid for this job.

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unbelievable

This listing IS STILL UP!

And she has hired MORE PEOPLE.

If I hadn't seen it with my own eyes, I wouldn't believe it.

SMH

Unbelievable indeed. oDesk: WAKE UP !!!!!!

Michele B. wrote:
This listing IS STILL UP!

And she has hired MORE PEOPLE.

If I hadn't seen it with my own eyes, I wouldn't believe it.

SMH

I can't believe it either, Michele. Those listings must have been flagged many times, yet oDesk continues to allow contractors to walk straight into an open knife??

What more does that person (I doubt you they have given their real name, location, or even gender) have to DO before oDesk at least temporarily suspends their ability to defraud people while they "investigate?"

Ayesha, when you see this post, would you PLEASE urgently talk to your chums in the safety department, this could not be a more clear and obvious case of fraud, and every hour this person is allowed to hire is an hour contractors waste their precious time with no chance of getting paid, and oDesk won't get paid either........

I'm one of the contractors

I'm one of the contractors too, I made 500 questions for her. I haven't sent all of the material to her though because she just sounded very fishy and has not been replying to my questions regarding the payment. However, that does not make a difference because I invested a lot of my time in it. She hasn't replied to my queries regarding payment and it sucks big time. I was apprehensive from the very beginning but I thought because so many people are already working for her, she wouldn't be a fraud but Alas! Sad

Anyhow, I'd suggest we all out up a complaint ticket individually, mentioning the clients name and the contract ID because then they might understand the gravity of the situation.

update

Because the client's listings were not removed, the carnage continued over the weekend.

Current count is 24 innocent contractors bilked by I.W. to the tune of a net loss of approximately $12,000.

Tweleve THOUSAND dollars (average contract was about $500) of PREVENTABLE LOSS to contractors!

It boggles the mind.

I am absolutely disgusted at this point. Disgusted.

so sad

Michele B. wrote:
Because the client's listings were not removed, the carnage continued over the weekend.

Current count is 24 innocent contractors bilked by I.W. to the tune of a net loss of approximately $12,000.

Tweleve THOUSAND dollars (average contract was about $500) of PREVENTABLE LOSS due in part to inaction on the part of Odesk.

It boggles the mind.

I've attempted to make contact with some of the contractors on Isabell's list-of-victims, but most do not share last names.

We're now taking (metaphorical) bets on how long the carnage will mount until these listings are removed. I'm guessing it will go on until Ms. Wills has amassed 50 folks. Anyone else care to wager?

I am absolutely disgusted at this point. Disgusted.

Bless your soul for all your initiave to save other contractors from making the same experience. It does boggle the mind indeed and it is disgusting. I have a feeling that oDesk is struggling. It took me two weeks and two attempts to get a mission critical ticket addressed by support, another lower priority ticket took 6 weeks to resolve, weird changes are being implemented, and fraudulent posts are not taken down. All that doesn't exactly scream "we're doing well!"...

Are you in contact with anyone who is *currently* contracted ??

Michele B. wrote:

Current count is 24 innocent contractors bilked by I.W. to the tune of a net loss of approximately $12,000.

Michele, are you in touch with anyone who has a current OPEN contract with her? Some of her victims could then possibly be contacted via the team app!

As oDesk appears to be doing Sweet F**k All about it it would be the only way to warn her newer victims to NOT waste their time working because they will NOT be paid.

The whole thing is disgusting. Why are oDesk not REACTING !!!???

This is more than TWICE as bad as the mess Hana (another regular on this forum) was mixed up in - and we warned and warned right here on the forums that this was going to end very badly (and it did)

HELLO? oDesk? ANYONE HOME?

I did warn those with public

I did warn those with public profiles. Those with private profiles are unreachable. I just hope they soon realise they're being cheated.

I mean right inside the team room on the tracker!

Jenn Besonia wrote:
I did warn those with public profiles. Those with private profiles are unreachable. I just hope they soon realise they're being cheated.

I meant someone who still has a contract with that client (I very much doubt "she" gave her real name. May not even be a "she" and probably isn't called I****l either anyway) could go into the tracker and contact people via chat from the team room! When you are logged in you can see who is online and chat with them usually!

Pick the person you want to speak to and right mouse-click on their little picture within the team tracker app, it pops up a menu where you can pick "start conversation!"

It will only work with people who also have hourly contracts and only when they're logged into the team room (not necessarily on the same contract though) but it might be worth a shot. At this stage any time that could be saved to any of those poor souls who think they've got a good contract and will earn good money for their hard work is "something"

I actually know that,

I actually know that, Petra.

I tried that when I was still working for her, but no one was online. It's not surprising; it was a fixed job.

And I contacted them in my own way. I just won't give details. But they thanked me for warning them.

OK :)

Jenn Besonia wrote:
I actually know that, Petra.

I tried that when I was still working for her, but no one was online. It's not surprising; it was a fixed job.

And I contacted them in my own way. I just won't give details. But they thanked me for warning them.

Jenn, Sorry - I was simply trying to think of anything and everything that could possibly help, and thought that maybe, just maybe, this might.

I'd know how to contact them (those with a non-private profile) too.

It's great to see how everyone is working together to make sure this person will not get away with what they've done completely.

Good for you guys for working together and SHAME ON oDESK for not acting to protect the people who pay them in a reasonably timely fashion!

Edited to add - By the way, the original postings are currently still up, the "client" has not looked at them for 2 and 6 days respectively though, which hopefully means they won't be hiring any more contractors before the listings are taken down!

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